{"id":1621,"date":"2024-02-23T22:47:01","date_gmt":"2024-02-23T22:47:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/roexit.info\/?p=1621"},"modified":"2025-10-21T15:45:55","modified_gmt":"2025-10-21T15:45:55","slug":"cu-boii-pe-bursa-opinia-lui-dan-diaconu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roexit.info\/?p=1621","title":{"rendered":"Cu boii pe burs\u0103. Opinia lui Dan Diaconu"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Un articol publicat de Dan Diaconu ini\u021bial pe <a href=\"https:\/\/trenduri.blogspot.com\/2024\/02\/cu-boii-pe-bursa.html\">trenduri.blogspot.com<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>C\u0103 nebunia e mare o \u0219tiam, dar c\u0103 e at\u00e2t de mare chiar \u0219i mie mi-a fost imposibil s\u0103-mi imaginez. Discu\u021bia mea preferat\u0103 este cea legat\u0103 de bursele occidentale. Ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 acolo? E absolut de neimaginat! O nebunie mai mare efectiv nu exist\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Chestia \u0219i mai interesant\u0103 este c\u0103 nebunia e veche. \u00cen 2008 vorbeam despre supraevaluarea pie\u021belor. Am gre\u0219it, deoarece ceea ce era atunci era de-a dreptul bun sim\u021b fa\u021b\u0103 de mega-hiper-evaluarea din prezent. Dac\u0103 m-a\u0219 apuca s\u0103-i spun unui broker de acum 40-50 de ani care-s indicatorii la care au ajuns titlurile americane, cu siguran\u021b\u0103 c\u0103 mi-ar spune c\u0103 sunt dus cu pluta \u0219i c\u0103 e cazul s\u0103 nu m\u0103 mai droghez. S\u0103 l\u0103s\u0103m, \u00eens\u0103, considera\u021biile de-o parte pentru a \u00een\u021belege cum st\u0103 treaba la firul ierbii.<\/p>\n<p>Nvidia a\u021bi spus? P\u0103i cum s\u0103 nu spune\u021bi, doar asta repet\u0103 isteric toat\u0103 lumea.\u00a0<i>E\u0219ti nebun<\/i>\u00a0&#8211; m\u0103 vor agresa \u201eanali\u0219tii\u201d &#8211;\u00a0<i>\u00a0nu vezi c\u0103 a avut venituri record??? Ceea ce e mai bun de-abia de-acum \u00eencepe!<\/i>\u00a0Sunt ferm convins, doar c\u0103 am prostul obicei de a m\u0103 uita bine la cifre.\u00a0<i>P\u0103i cifrele sunt bune, nu vezi??\u00a0<\/i> Da, sunt minunate, \u00eens\u0103 a r\u0103m\u00e2ne la cifrele brute \u00eenseamn\u0103 s\u0103 ai un creier de g\u0103in\u0103 beat\u0103. Evaluarea situa\u021biei trebuie f\u0103cut\u0103 \u00een func\u021bie de context. De exemplu, cineva \u00eemi poate spune c\u0103 o ma\u0219in\u0103 poate merge cu 800 km la or\u0103 \u00een condi\u021bii de siguran\u021b\u0103 pentru \u0219ofer. \u00ce\u021bi d\u0103 \u0219i dovada c\u0103 a str\u0103b\u0103tut o distan\u021b\u0103 de 800 km \u00eentr-o or\u0103. S\u0103 \u00eel cred? Fraierii vor spune c\u0103 da, doar c\u0103 \u00een final afli c\u0103 ma\u0219ina aia era \u00eentr-un avion, iar viteza era a avionului. \u00centr-adev\u0103r, ea mergea cu 800 km\/h, doar c\u0103, de fapt, ea sta\u021biona.<\/p>\n<p>La prima m\u00e2n\u0103, c\u00e2nd vezi o ac\u021biune te ui\u021bi la c\u00e2\u021biva indicatori pentru a-i face o evaluare <i>diagonal\u0103<\/i>. Spre exemplu, eu m\u0103 uit la clasicul P\/E. \u0218ti\u021bi cam c\u00e2t e un P\/E acceptabil? \u00cen jur de 10. C\u00e2nd cump\u0103r ac\u021biuni caut un P\/E c\u00e2t mai mic. De ce? Pentru c\u0103 acest indicator \u00eemi spune cam \u00een c\u00e2\u021bi ani \u00eemi recuperez investi\u021bia \u00een ac\u021biunea respectiv\u0103. Desigur, asta dac\u0103 totul merge exact ca acum. Ave\u021bi idee c\u00e2t este indicatorul P\/E la Nvidia? \u021aine\u021bi-v\u0103 bine: peste 100!!!<\/p>\n<p>Ideea e c\u0103 trebuie s\u0103 punem treburile \u00een context, nu s\u0103 judec\u0103m cu ochelari de cal. A\u0219a ni se spune. Microsoft, o ac\u021biune cumva corect\u0103 pentru mine de-a lungul timpului, are un P\/E de 37, ceea ce-mi spune c\u0103 e mult supraevaluat\u0103. Amazon, pe care de mult\u0103 vreme o consider supraevaluat\u0103 are 60, iar Apple e ceva mai aproape de p\u0103m\u00e2nt cu 28. Spre compara\u021bie, v\u0103 voi spune c\u0103 Hidroelectrica are pu\u021bin peste 8, iar SNP pe la 9.5! S\u0103 nu r\u0103m\u00e2nem, \u00eens\u0103, aici deoarece surprizele abia acum \u00eencep!<\/p>\n<p>Un alt indicator pe care m\u0103 uit este P\/S. E un raport simplu \u00eentre capitalizarea companiei \u0219i cifra de afaceri, indic\u00e2ndu-ne c\u00e2t este dispus cump\u0103r\u0103torul ac\u021biunii respective s\u0103 pl\u0103teasc\u0103 pentru fiecare unitate monetar\u0103 generat\u0103 de societatea \u00een cauz\u0103. Un P\/S sub 1 ne indic\u0103 o societate posibil subevaluat\u0103, \u00een timp ce unul peste 1 ne indic\u0103 o societate posibil supraevaluat\u0103. Bun, c\u00e2t crede\u021bi c\u0103 este P\/S \u00een cazul Nvidia? Mai are pu\u021bin \u0219i ajunge la 50!!! \u00cen termeni bursieri, a\u0219a ceva era p\u00e2n\u0103 de cur\u00e2nd imposibil de digerat. De ce? Pentru c\u0103 e ilogic.<\/p>\n<p>Un P\/S de 50 \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103, dac\u0103 acea companie ar transforma \u00eentreg venitul s\u0103u \u00een dividende timp de 50 de ani, abia atunci ai putea s\u0103-\u021bi amortizezi pre\u021bul pl\u0103tit. Doar c\u0103 nu po\u021bi transforma \u00eentregul venit \u00een dividende pentru c\u0103 ai angaja\u021bi, utilit\u0103\u021bi, alte costuri de func\u021bionare, taxe \u0219i impozite \u0219i multe alte chestii de pl\u0103tit. Po\u021bi spune c\u0103 estimezi o dezvoltare spectaculoas\u0103 a companiei, dar c\u00e2t ar trebui s\u0103 fie aceast\u0103 dezvoltare \u00een condi\u021biile \u00een care randamentul actual al dividendelor este de 0.02%??? Cu c\u00e2t ar trebui s\u0103 explodeze veniturile \u0103lea \u0219i c\u00e2t \u0219i-ar putea optimiza acea companie costurile pentru a ajunge c\u00e2t de c\u00e2t la normalitate? Cu alte cuvinte, la ce evolu\u021bie se sper\u0103 pentru a pl\u0103ti 50 de dolari pentru fiecare dolar din cifra de afaceri?<\/p>\n<p>Privind \u00een context raportul P\/S, vom constata c\u0103 supraevaluatul Amazon are un raport de \u201edoar\u201d 1.89, \u00een timp ce Apple e pe la 7, Microsoft a decolat pe 14, iar Google la 6. E clar c\u0103 situa\u021bia e s\u0103rit\u0103 r\u0103u de la normal. La noi, Hidroelectrica are un P\/S de peste 4, iar SNP surprinde cu un pre\u021b c\u00e2t se poate de corect evaluat, anume la 1!<\/p>\n<p>A\u0219 putea s\u0103 v\u0103 \u00een\u0219ir numero\u0219i al\u021bi indicatori care sunt efectiv halucinan\u021bi. Nu o fac deoarece situa\u021bia ar fi similar\u0103. Concluziile, \u00eens\u0103, sunt c\u00e2t se poate de interesante. Bursa e o institu\u021bie menit\u0103 a tranzac\u021biona buc\u0103\u021bi din companiile listate, la pre\u021buri c\u00e2t de c\u00e2t corecte. E clar c\u0103 indicatorii de evaluare \u0219i cei financiari sunt doar fotografii de moment, \u00eens\u0103 acestea sunt datele pe baza c\u0103rora trebuie s\u0103 lu\u0103m <u>decizii ra\u021bionale<\/u>. Ceea ce vedem acum \u00een toat\u0103 lumea occidental\u0103 este c\u0103 pia\u021ba bursier\u0103 s-a transformat, din una \u00een care investitorii \u00ee\u0219i bazau decizia pe judec\u0103\u021bi ra\u021bionale, \u00eentr-o mega-schem\u0103 piramidal\u0103. NU sunt vorbe mari! De-at\u00e2ta amar de vreme \u201eiste\u021bii\u201d \u00eemi dau peste nas spun\u00e2ndu-mi: \u201e<i>Ia uite c\u00e2t a ajuns Amazonul! Tu spuneai c\u0103 e supraevaluat!<\/i>\u201d. De altfel, nu doar eu v\u0103d a\u0219a lucrurile, ci inclusiv insiderii care profit\u0103 de nebunie v\u00e2nz\u00e2nd la greu ac\u021biuni. E greu de crezut c\u0103 actualele pre\u021buri se vor \u00eentoarce vreodat\u0103. Dar, s\u0103 nu ne gr\u0103bim: resursele de nebunie par nelimitate \u00een vremurile noastre!<\/p>\n<p>A\u0219adar, dac\u0103 e s\u0103 dau o recomandare \u00een ton cu vremurile pe care le tr\u0103im, aceasta este BUY! Dac\u0103, \u00eens\u0103, e vorba s\u0103 dau o recomandare bazat\u0103 pe ra\u021biune, atunci treburile se \u00eentorc radical \u0219i nu pot spune dec\u00e2t s\u0103 vede\u021bi cum face\u021bi ca s\u0103 sc\u0103pa\u021bi din casa de nebuni!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Un articol publicat de Dan Diaconu ini\u021bial pe trenduri.blogspot.com C\u0103 nebunia e mare o \u0219tiam, dar c\u0103 e at\u00e2t de mare chiar \u0219i mie mi-a fost imposibil s\u0103-mi imaginez. Discu\u021bia mea preferat\u0103 este cea legat\u0103 de bursele occidentale. Ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 acolo? E absolut de neimaginat! O nebunie mai mare efectiv nu exist\u0103. 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