{"id":969,"date":"2024-01-01T22:20:35","date_gmt":"2024-01-01T22:20:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/roexit.info\/?p=969"},"modified":"2025-10-21T15:41:44","modified_gmt":"2025-10-21T15:41:44","slug":"iesirea-din-ue-benefica-indiferent-de-scenariu-opinia-lui-chiazna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/roexit.info\/?p=969","title":{"rendered":"Ie\u0219irea din UE, benefic\u0103 indiferent de scenariu. Opinia lui Chiazna"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Un articol de G. Chiazna preluat cu acordul autorului de pe site-ul <a href=\"https:\/\/chiazna.ro\/2023\/12\/iesirea-din-ue-benefica-indiferent-de-scenariu\/\">chiazna.ro\u00a0<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Orice carte de strategie de r\u0103zboi \u00eenva\u0163\u0103 c\u0103 elaborarea unor scenarii extreme este obligatorie pentru \u00een\u0163elegerea realit\u0103\u0163ii \u015fi g\u0103sirea unor solu\u0163ii optime. Cel mai interesant exemplu pe care \u00eel dau mereu c\u00e2nd vine vorba este \u00eens\u0103 din afaceri, anume inven\u0163ia robo\u0163ilor\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/history-computer.com\/kiva-systems-history\/\">Kiva<\/a>, cump\u0103ra\u0163i \u015fi dezvolta\u0163i \u00een prezent de Amazon. Inventatorul acestora a dat faliment cu o afacere online \u015fi ulterior c\u00e2nd a analizat motivele \u015fi a intrat \u00een alt\u0103 afacere, a f\u0103cut un scenariu extrem de pozitiv pentru a rezolva chestiunea logisticii care dup\u0103 cum mul\u0163i \u015ftiu, este principala constr\u00e2ngere a comer\u0163ului electronic. Bun\u0103oar\u0103, inventatorul, Mick Mountz \u015fi-a propus s\u0103 fac\u0103 un scenariu de solu\u0163ie logistic\u0103 \u00een care un parametru s\u0103 fie infinit pentru a \u00ee\u015fi extinde orizontul \u015fi a sparge conven\u0163iile unei model\u0103ri \u00eencastrate \u00een nenum\u0103rate bariere cunoscute sau necunoscute. A ales astfel ca s\u0103 \u00ee\u015fi imagineze c\u0103 ar avea spa\u0163iu de depozitare nelimitat. De la acest scenariu, \u015fi-a propus s\u0103 dezvolte un sistem de lucru, urm\u00e2nd ca chestiunea spa\u0163iului de depozitare nelimitat s\u0103 fie ulterior rezolvat\u0103 dup\u0103 prima etap\u0103 \u00een care s-ar g\u0103si o solu\u0163ie la un spa\u0163iu nelimitat.<\/p>\n<p>Evident c\u0103 pare fantezie \u015fi glum\u0103 un asemenea scenariu deoarece evident exist\u0103 o mare diferen\u0163\u0103 \u00eentre infinit \u015fi spa\u0163iul real de stocare pentru orice companie din lume, indiferent de buget. Dar cine crede c\u0103 cei mai tari robo\u0163i pentru logistic\u0103 din lume sunt o glum\u0103, nu are habar de economie. Pornind de la spa\u0163iul nelimitat, au dezvoltat robo\u0163ii Kiva care ini\u0163ial c\u0103rau c\u00e2te un raft \u00eentreg de produse pentru a aduce produsul comandat la un punct de colectare a comenzii, dup\u0103 care \u00eel mutau la loc \u00eenapoi. Un model total diferit de tot ce exista p\u00e2n\u0103 la acea dat\u0103 c\u00e2nd automatiz\u0103rile presupuneau b\u0103nzi de rulare care treceau pe l\u00e2ng\u0103 rafturi de unde cel mult exista posibiltatea ca anumite rafturi s\u0103 elibereze un produs sau un batch de produse automat pe o banda ruland\u0103 de unde aceste produse s\u0103 fie toate duse la punctul de asamblare al coletului.<\/p>\n<p>A\u015fadar paradigma imagina\u0163iei exuberante cu privire la condi\u0163ii extreme de\u015fi evident c\u0103 \u00een lumea real\u0103 acestea nu vor fi extreme, au dus la noi idei \u015fi noi modele de solu\u0163ii care au fost geniale \u015fi au c\u00e2\u015ftigat cursa cu modele cu vechime poate de zeci de ani, optimizate continuu \u015fi dezvoltate masiv de companii specializate \u00een domeniu. Cu excep\u0163ia e\u015fecului companiei Webvan care \u00eens\u0103 nu era specializat\u0103 \u00een echipamente de logistic\u0103 ci doar era o afacere online de livrat alimente proaspete, Mick nu avea deloc leg\u0103tur\u0103 cu domeniul logisticii sau al roboticii.<\/p>\n<p>Exemplele pot fi mult mai multe, poate Elon Musk este unul care a revolu\u0163ionat multe domenii tot printr-o g\u00e2ndire pe scenarii, pun\u00e2nd obiective aproape infinite, targeturi at\u00e2t de mari \u00eenc\u00e2t chiar \u015fi realizarea doar a jum\u0103tate din aceste obiective duc\u00e2nd la progrese cu mult peste ale competi\u0163iei.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Scenariul pozitiv<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Voi lua dou\u0103 scenarii din punct de vedere al existen\u0163ei \u015fi implica\u0163iilor chestiunii problemelor climatice. \u00cen scenariul pozitiv presupun c\u0103 dracul nu e at\u00e2t de negru, c\u0103 modelele sunt exagerate, c\u0103 clima nu se va strica deloc \u015fi prin urmare programul Green Deal al UE este o abera\u0163ie total inutil\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Numesc acest scenariu pozitiv deoarece lumea nu va pieri din cauza climei. Din p\u0103cate \u00eens\u0103, ca \u015fi acum, \u015fi atunci, liderii UE vor fi total debili mental \u015fi dac\u0103 noi r\u0103m\u00e2nem \u00een UE \u015fi particip\u0103m la acest program draconic numit Green Deal, vom avea de suferit economic fatal \u015fi vom ajunge mult mai s\u0103raci dec\u00e2t \u00een prezent, cu toate primisiunile UE. V\u0103 reamintesc cele 3 mari obiective ale programului Green Deal \u015fi explic de ce economic Rom\u00e2nia va fi distrus\u0103:<\/p>\n<p>1) no net emissions of greenhouse gases by 2050<br \/>\n2) economic growth decoupled from resource use<br \/>\n3) no person and no place left behind<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cele 3 obiective<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>ale Green Deal<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Obiectivul 1 define\u015fte scopul \u015fi este de fapt singurul obiectiv. Nu echilibrarea climei, nu reducerea emisiilor, nu grija pentru natura, ci emisiile zero. Chiar dac\u0103 oamenii de \u015ftiin\u0163\u0103 vor descoperi \u00een 2040 c\u0103 de fapt, emisiile de carbon ajut\u0103 clima \u015fi sunt benefice, acest obiectiv nu va fi schimbat \u2013 mar\u015ful antihristic c\u0103tre autocra\u0163ia tehnologic\u0103 \u015fi controlul total \u00een vederea realiz\u0103rii emisiilor zero nete va continua indiferent de realitate, a\u015fa cum am putut vedea \u00een Covid c\u00e2nd a existat o mare discrepan\u0163\u0103 \u00eentre realitatea \u00eenconjur\u0103toare (lumea nu pica pe jos \u00een jurul nostru) \u015fi realitatea de la TV construit\u0103 de Fabrica de Consens finan\u0163at\u0103 cu fonduri UE: PANDEMIE, Breaking News zilnilc cu num\u0103rul de cazuri \u015fi de mor\u0163i. Un ditamai circ horror, o plandemie teatral\u0103 fabricat\u0103 complet \u00een care s-au sifonat fonduri f\u0103r\u0103 neru\u015finare sub acoperirea argumentelor \u201cmedicale\u201d. Cu argumentele \u201cclimatice\u201d va fi la fel, indiferent de realitate, se va face totul pentru ca obiectivul 1 s\u0103 fie realizat.<\/p>\n<p>Cu privire la obiectivul 2 v-a\u015f atrage aten\u0163ia c\u0103 \u00een economie nu este niciodat\u0103 folosit un termen negativ, cum ar fi sc\u0103dere economic\u0103. Se zice \u00een schimb cre\u015ftere negativ\u0103. Iat\u0103 exemplu de articole:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.zf.ro\/zf-24\/comisia-europeana-romania-crestere-negativa-in-2009-4044360\">Comisia Europeana: Romania, crestere negativa in 2009<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.agerpres.ro\/economic-extern\/2020\/11\/06\/luis-de-guindos-bce-se-asteapta-la-o-crestere-negativa-a-economiei-zonei-euro-in-t4--604587\">BCE se asteapta la o crestere negativa aeconomiei zonei euro in t4<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>A\u015fadar prin definirea unui obiectiv ca \u201ccre\u015ftere economic\u0103\u201d trebuie s\u0103 \u00een\u0163elegem c\u0103 aceasta poate fi ori pozitiv\u0103, ori negativ\u0103. Oricum niciodat\u0103 nu vom auzi un politician zic\u00e2nd c\u0103 \u00ee\u015fi dore\u015fte sc\u0103dere economic\u0103. Prin urmare cheia prin care trebuie descifrat acest al doilea obiectiv este partea a doua, ce urmeaz\u0103 dup\u0103 sintagma cre\u015ftere economic\u0103, anume\u00a0<em>decuplat\u0103 de folosirea resurselor<\/em>. Care resurse? Fosile! Care produc dioxid de carbon, anume gaze, lemne, c\u0103rbune, petrol etc. Cum se poate face a\u015fa ceva? Nimeni nu a realizat a\u015fa ceva p\u00e2n\u0103 acum \u015fi nici nu se va realiza. Adev\u0103ratul scop este de fapt sc\u0103derea economic\u0103 p\u00e2n\u0103 la punctul unde toat\u0103 energia folosit\u0103 \u00een economie este \u201cverde\u201d adic\u0103 fie solar\u0103 fie eolian\u0103, c\u0103ci nici m\u0103car energia hidro nu e prea iubit\u0103 de elitele europene deoarece unele \u0163\u0103ri au prea mult\u0103 (cum ar fi Rom\u00e2nia) \u015fi dac\u0103 altele renun\u0163\u0103 la hidrocarburi (cum ar fi Germania, care a cam fost nevoit\u0103 s\u0103 renun\u0163e la gazul rusesc), Rom\u00e2nia va avea un avantaj economic imens. Ceea ce nu este permis. De aceea, doar energia solar\u0103 produs\u0103 de panourile produse sau importate \u00een mas\u0103 de Germania este catalogat\u0103 verde deoarece energia verde din cursurile de ap\u0103 este prea mult\u0103 pe meleaguri mioritice \u015fi altele dec\u00e2t cele din vest \u015fi investi\u0163ia \u00een hidrocentrale ar propulsa Rom\u00e2nia \u00een topul \u0163\u0103rilor din Europa dac\u0103 programul \u201cGreen Deal\u201d ar fi realizat cu acest punct 2, anume decuplarea economiilor de energiile \u201cmurdare\u201d \u015fi trecerea pe \u201cverde\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>\u00cen final, punctul 3 este mai mult un fel de preg\u0103tire psihologic\u0103 pentru dezastrul care va veni. Nicio persoan\u0103 l\u0103sat\u0103 \u00een urm\u0103 se refer\u0103 clar c\u0103 planul are ca consecin\u0163e inevitabile nu doar \u201ctransform\u0103ri\u201d sau \u201ctreceri\u201d ci efectiv intrarea la ap\u0103 a bazei piramidei, adic\u0103 a oamenilor cu veniturile cele mai joase. Prin acest al 3-lea obiectiv, de\u015fi \u00een aparen\u0163\u0103 unul pozitiv \u015fi \u00eencurajator, dac\u0103 ne uit\u0103m la primele 2 obiective, vom \u00een\u0163elege clar c\u0103 3 este imposibil \u015fi c\u0103 mul\u0163i vor fi l\u0103sa\u0163i \u00een urm\u0103, cum deja se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 cu to\u0163i muncitorii care lucrau \u00een cele 50 de combinate de \u00eengr\u0103\u015f\u0103mite agricole \u00eenchise \u00een UE \u00een acest an, c\u00e2nd abia se fac pa\u015fi m\u0103run\u0163i spre agenda 2040.<\/p>\n<p>Deci dac\u0103 vom avea inevitabil o sc\u0103dere economic\u0103 datorat\u0103 \u201cdecupl\u0103rii\u201d, cum toat\u0103 lumea presupune c\u0103 scopul este nobil \u015fi \u201ce nevoie de sacrificii\u201d deoarece \u201cnu exist\u0103 alt\u0103 cale\u201d, se pune \u00eentrebarea cine vor fi cei care vor face aceste sacrificii deoarece faptul c\u0103 economia actual\u0103 e bazat\u0103 pe surse de energie neregenerabile nu este o alegerea oarecare, ci este un dat, a\u015fa cum atmosfera e alc\u0103tuit\u0103 din aer \u015fi alt\u0103 atmosfer\u0103 nu mai putem face. Dac\u0103 ne promitem s\u0103 schimb\u0103m atmosfera, vor supravie\u0163ui doar cei care \u00ee\u015fi vor face rezerve de aer, restul, marea parte, se vor sufoca. Tot a\u015fa, renun\u0163area la hidrocarburi, prin \u201ccre\u015ftere\u201d economic\u0103 decuplat\u0103 \u015fi prin nel\u0103sarea \u00een urm\u0103, se va face de fapt cu l\u0103sarea \u00een urm\u0103 a marii majorit\u0103\u0163i a oamenilor deoarece oricine are doi neuroni poate \u00een\u0163elege c\u0103 actualele energii verzi nu pot nici pe aproape s\u0103 \u00eenlocuiasc\u0103 necesarul actual, chiar \u015fi cu infinite subven\u0163ii de la stat.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Scenariul negativ<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00cen scenariul negativ \u00een care schimbarea climei nu va putea fi oprit\u0103 \u015fi tot efortul acesta suprauman va fi aiurea, ce crede\u0163i c\u0103 se va \u00eent\u00e2mpla? \u015eoarecii vor s\u0103ri din barc\u0103, de\u015fi nu chiar \u015foarecii ci mai degrab\u0103 trebuie s\u0103 spunem c\u0103 pasagerii de lux vor debarca cu b\u0103rcile de la clasa de lux de pe Titanic \u015fi se vor feri de catastrof\u0103. Cu privire la \u015foareci, aici m\u0103 refer la birocra\u0163ii \u015fi elitele din UE care au firme prin offshore-uri, au averi str\u00e2nse prin alte p\u0103r\u0163i ale lumii \u015fi c\u00e2nd UE va ajunge mai r\u0103u ca Africa de Sud din cauza politicilor verzi, ei vor putea s\u0103 se salveze.<\/p>\n<p>Nu este o enormitate s\u0103 zicem c\u0103 \u00een cazul scenariului negativ, va fi\u00a0<strong>fiecare pentru el<\/strong>. Adic\u0103 este imposibil de conceput c\u0103 dac\u0103 vom ajunge \u00een 2040 \u015fi vom vedea c\u0103 de\u015fi toate \u0163\u0103rile UE au respectat cu stricte\u0163e condi\u0163iile drastice de \u201ccre\u015ftere economic\u0103 decuplat\u0103\u201d, clima a luat-o spre r\u0103u \u015fi totul a fost degeaba (din orice motive, poate deoarece China \u015fi SUA nu au \u0163inut cont sau poate deoarece m\u0103surile nu au fost suficiente sau poate deoarece \u00eenc\u0103lzirea nu e de fapt cauzat\u0103 de om ci e un fenomen natural pu\u0163in cunoscut), \u00een acest scenariu negativ, orice alte noi m\u0103suri vor fi imposibile deoarece \u0163\u0103rile \u015fi popoarele vor fi epuizate \u015fi dezn\u0103d\u0103jduite. De unde, unitatea se va pierde \u015fi se va ajunge la o disolu\u0163ie mai mult sau mai pu\u0163in ordonat\u0103 dup\u0103 care se vor \u00eentoarce la cre\u015ftere economic\u0103 \u2026 de aia cuplat\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Deci dac\u0103 finalitatea e una negativ\u0103, nu mai bine noi rom\u00e2nii alegem calea cupl\u0103rii la resurse de acum? Chiar putem noi rom\u00e2nii s\u0103 facem mare br\u00e2nz\u0103 dac\u0103 toate emisiile noastre sunt infinit mai mici pe l\u00e2ng\u0103 \u0163\u0103ri mari cum ar fi SUA, China sau Germania?<\/p>\n<p>Este chiar de bun sim\u0163 s\u0103 presupunem c\u0103 pe m\u0103sur\u0103 ce ne apropiem de termenul final \u015fi clima nu e salvat\u0103 cu aceste m\u0103suri, nem\u0163ii care au resurse de cercetare \u015fi predic\u0163ie mult mai interesante, se vor trezi \u00eenaintea noastr\u0103 la realitate \u015fi vor renun\u0163a \u00eenaintea noastr\u0103 la \u201cagenda verde\u201d. Foarte probabil, deoarece a\u015fa cum ne spune obiectivul 3, chiar dac\u0103 se va \u00eencerca, vor fi oameni \u015fi locuri l\u0103sate \u00een urm\u0103 inevitabil, decalajul nostru fa\u0163\u0103 de vest va fi mult mai mare ca acum. Prin urmare, de ce s\u0103 nu ne decupl\u0103m acum \u015fi s\u0103 ie\u015fim din UE \u015fi s\u0103 \u00eei d\u0103m dracului cu energiile lor verzi cu tot?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Iner\u0163ia retardatului<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Am prezentat deci sus dou\u0103 scenarii, unul pozitiv, unul negativ cu privire la salvarea sau distrugerea climei \u015fi starea noastr\u0103 \u00een UE \u00eentr-un scenariu sau altul. Cele dou\u0103 scenarii sunt extreme, exist\u0103 evident nenum\u0103rate grade \u00eentre aceste dou\u0103 extreme. Iat\u0103 c\u00e2teva:<br \/>\n\u2013 scenariu\u00a0<strong>a\u015fa-\u015fi-a\u015fa<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 ar fi un scenariu \u00een care ai no\u015ftri lideri lumina\u0163i de la capul UE vor realiza c\u0103 m\u0103surile sunt prea dure \u015fi vor g\u0103si noi modalit\u0103\u0163i de combatere a \u00eenc\u0103lzirii globale, de exemplu prin chemtrails (care dup\u0103 cum \u015ftim sunt o conspira\u0163ie, nu?);<br \/>\n\u2013 scenariul\u00a0<strong>utopic<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 \u201cdecuplarea\u201d de resurse va fi at\u00e2t de motivant\u0103 pentru cercetare \u015fi (pseudo)industria verde \u00eenc\u00e2t vor apare noi tehnologii revolu\u0163ionare care s\u0103 ne dea energie mai mult\u0103 dec\u00e2t avem nevoie \u015fi anuleze necesitatea ca o mare parte din persoane \u015fi anumite \u0163\u0103ri s\u0103 fie l\u0103sate \u00een urm\u0103;<br \/>\n\u2013 scenariul\u00a0<strong>ozn<\/strong>: vor veni extratere\u015ftrii \u015fi ne vor da \u015fi nou\u0103 niscavai energie gratuit\u0103 de la generatoarele lor de energie static\u0103 din fluctua\u0163iile cuantice; ca fapt divers, acest scenariu area aceea\u015fi probabilitatea cu rezistarea UE \u00eenc\u0103 10 ani dac\u0103 nu se leap\u0103d\u0103 de cultul climatic;<\/p>\n<p>Pentru fiecare scenariu, ar trebui o discu\u0163ie separata \u015fi s-ar lungi prea mult articolul. Am ales extremele deoarece doresc s\u0103 demonstrez c\u0103 \u00een ambele scenarii extreme, existen\u0163a noastr\u0103 \u00een UE nu este justificat\u0103 deoarece vom avea de pierde indiferent.<\/p>\n<p>\u00cen scenariul pozitiv, r\u0103m\u00e2nem \u00een UE ca fraierii, accept\u00e2nd s\u0103 ne distrugem economia doar ca s\u0103 facem \u015fi noi o hor\u0103 a unirii tembele \u00een grajdul tembel al ecologismului fanatic, \u00een scenariul negativ, de asemenea st\u0103m ca fii ploii cu bra\u0163ele \u00een s\u00e2n c\u00e2nd \u00eei vedem pe al\u0163ii c\u0103 se \u00eenarmeaz\u0103 \u015fi se preg\u0103tesc pentru r\u0103zboi. Deoarece evident c\u0103 dac\u0103 clima va fi nasoal\u0103, a\u015fa cum ne amenin\u0163\u0103 iubi\u0163ii lideri lumina\u0163i, vor exista nenum\u0103rate tulbur\u0103ri \u015fi presiuni economice, sociale, geopolitice etc.<\/p>\n<p>De ce, dar, simple fiind lucrurile, exist\u0103 \u00eenc\u0103 un curent puternic de r\u0103m\u00e2nere \u00een UE? Din cauza iner\u0163iei retardate a unui fenomen numit \u201csindromul t\u0103tucului\u201d. Rom\u00e2nii au nevoie de un t\u0103tuc care s\u0103 le dea \u00eencredere \u015fi s\u0103 le zic\u0103 vorbe frumoase, c\u0103 sunt muncitori, c\u0103 sunt docili, c\u0103 sunt cet\u0103\u0163eni europeni ascult\u0103tori \u015fi vor s\u0103 lase un aer mai curat \u015fi un viitor bun copiilor \u015fi nepo\u0163ilor lor. De asemenea, rom\u00e2nii sunt deja educa\u0163i c\u0103 de la UE ne vin banii \u015fi dac\u0103 taie UE banii, e vai de noi \u2013 o minciun\u0103 criminal\u0103. Prin urmare, dincolo de aceste analize complexe de\u015fi simple, mare lucru nu se poate face \u015fi chiar dac\u0103 intelighen\u0163ia politic\u0103 de la noi ar avea vreun zv\u00e2c de trezvie similar de exemplu mi\u015fc\u0103rii conservatoare din Polonia, ie\u015firea ar fi imposibil\u0103 deoarece boporul este condus ca oille, cu un singur c\u00e2ine la mii de oi.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Un articol de G. Chiazna preluat cu acordul autorului de pe site-ul chiazna.ro\u00a0 Orice carte de strategie de r\u0103zboi \u00eenva\u0163\u0103 c\u0103 elaborarea unor scenarii extreme este obligatorie pentru \u00een\u0163elegerea realit\u0103\u0163ii \u015fi g\u0103sirea unor solu\u0163ii optime. 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